an skepticism seems the proper attite given what history has shown us what washington can do. >> exactlybrenda. one of the reasons that jim alluded to, he said, look, we n't need to pay attention to the market. well, we need to pay attention to the psychology though. the market is one manifestcation of that, but it works in other things like retail spending over the holidays. people just fear this fiscal cliff thing and they get scared and they tighten in and they don't spend as much, i think you're going to see that when the final retail resul come out from this past holiday season. that's why i want something resolved. even if there's a big headline in the washington post, it's fiscal cliff resolved and nothing got done, people would feel better about thin. >> toby, speak to that point. youon'think so, huh? >> was that the pablem strategy, gary? >> that's what we're going to get anyway. >> six months ago we passed on the horrible sequestration things so congress can have time and solve this, where did it get us? nowhere. and there's a reason people don't trust this congress, they haven't ear

washington d.c. stepping in and more federal innervention than we have right now . with all of the stuff. pet projects and in a way to help victims of super storm sandy. was a big scare but no injuries. here we go again. a bill intended to aid super storm sandy victims . this has spending hawks peeves. explain your flip side. >> i have no problem but i will say it is more important to thwart than haggle in congress. i live in loir manhattan and we have seen problems with super storm sandy. we have businesses that are close not reopening and this is happening in areas hit by the storm. the vital thing is to get the money flowing and more important than congress hagsling. snurkswe need to swallow pork to get what we need. >> no, we don't. you look at sandy spending bill if dc got hit and not new york or new jersey . two weeks after cat can the hit the new orleans area. that area got money. we are still waiting because it is hung up by pork. you are seeing 3 billion to pair or fix and new cars for the fbi and new trees in cemeteries and silly things like that. it is pretty bad. this could pass o

yourself in washington, d.c. and virginia? no, you wouldn't. we need these big salaries because we need to recruit top talent. go to manhattan. >> that is the point. if bailouts maintain the government centered focus to our economy? >> yes, and it's sucking the% whole economy and we're getting two or 3 percent growth. there are $200,000 jobs in north dakota in the oil field. i would tip into paying to move the bankers to north dakota. >> by the way, on bailouts in terms of banks, there are established procedures, if you have good collateral, you get a short term loan and get over the cash crisis. that is what they should have done in 20078 instead of putting in equity capital. >> neil: coming up next. >> kick the can road down the road for too long. >> we're not going to be able to solve it by kicking the can down the road and doing all the gimmicks in the past. >>> they say they don't wanted to kick the can but steve forbes that is exactly what washington should do. this is flip side. you do not want to miss. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] a full life measured in seats starts with the

playing games. right along with the folks in washington. this president is guilty of class warfare. for what? are you kidding me?ma. president obama seems to love rt the drama. i thought he didn't like drama. the reality is that there will be so little impact on our fiscal future. the after all of the drama and whateeer the outcome, we remaih in great jeopardy. because this isn't a fiscals. future. this is not something that any of us want. don't you love ? a lame-duck session of congress. they areon the ones who have to steer us away from the fiscal cliff. joining us tonight, governor jo jo mike [beep] [indistinct chatter] [kids talking at once] [speaking foreign language [heart beating] [heartbeat continues] [faint singing] [heartbeat, music playing louder] ♪ i'm feeling better since you know me ♪ ♪ i was a lonely soul, but that's the old me... ♪ announcer: this song was created with heartbeats of children in need. find out how it cahelp frontline health workers bring hope to millions of children at everybeatmatters.org. lou: burst onto your reaction to the fact that the

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